INVADERS

[ShadoeWolfe]

Perfect example of this forum: None of the bad guys (the BIG bad guys) get killed in INVADERS! Yet Xanadu gets blowed up real good. http://www.brianlumley.com/ubb/smile.gif Now, if you haven't read Invaders yet, you know what happens. Ha ha! next time, read the description of the forum before you come in here!

[Lichloathe]

Ehlana, I agree with you about Jake. We'll just have to wait and see what he turns out to be.
Any thoughts on Luigi Castellano's id? My vote goes to Lord Szwart but one can't be too sure...

[Kenickie]

Lichloathe Definitely Szwart...all that hiding in the dark.

[Vormulac]

Here's a thought on Castellano... not even Wamphyri? Just a third rate character to flesh out Jake's past? ~shrugs~ But I -can- see where the idea of him being one of the Lords comes from, and I must agree with the thought of him being Szwart, since Milan is Malinari.. Duh [chuckles] .. Although, I still think Castellano is merely a peripheral character...Wamphyri in Europe has been used and used and used... hence Malinari being found in Australia..... perhaps Szwart and/or Vavara have gone to America?? We've yet to see any of the Wamphyri hidden away within the Rocky Mountains, ya know? .... perhaps Szwart has headed into Iceland, or Antartica... somewhere where the nights are long, and the days shorter.... get the idea? ..... That's my thoughts....



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[Symon]

Here's a thought, if Castellano is Lord Szwarts', then could Jakes' ex girlfriend Natasha be alive? She didn't contact him when jake got his deadspeak powers,(yet).
It'll make a greater story too if she had become a vampire after Castellano/Szwart conection. Will Jake kill her?

[Kenickie]

I haven't got the book with me here at uni but I am positive there are several clues that identify Castellano as Szwart. I think the voice was one of them.

[ChrisCook]

Was anyone else disappointed that E-Branch came off so lightly at the end of Invaders?

What a great ending if some of the key characters had died or being 'Wampharised' leaving Jake with a much depleted E-Branch.

Kind regards,

Chris

[Vormulac]

Castellano being "in league" with Szwart is, as mentioned previously, a possibility. But then again, it was mentioned by Korath, when telling Harry and Jake the story of the three Wamp's, that Szwart isn't much for company, more of the loner type. I still think Castellano has nothing to do with Szwart, personally... Vavara or Malinari maybe, but not Szwart.... I kinda have a notion that Szwart will be found in the very last place anyone thinks to look.....

[shaithis@rocketmail.com]

Okay, finally finished Necroscope: Invaders five minutes ago.

I come away from it a little let down. There weren't too many shocking surprises in this one. One of the big draws for me was the new Necroscope (Jake) slowly learning his new talents (Much like Nathan did). However you get led up through the whole novel, just practically screaming at him 'you idiot! Will you remember at least something?!?' Only to be cheated by him cheating with his new found vampire buddy.

I suppose my favorite 'scene' in the novel is when the Wamphyri first arrive on Earth and are discovered by Zek. All the events during that whole history were excellent.

I don't know though. I came away from this novel thinking of the new Star Wars Phantom Menace movie. I was so hyped, yet when it finally came out, it looks like the first one was made mainly to setup the excellent things to come. Unfortunately this left the story a little actionless and the characters too underdeveloped to really care about....yet.

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[shaithis@rocketmail.com]

Yeah, none of the bad guys get killed (unless you take Jake's enemies into account) but it had it's fair share of killing!

I really want to see what Jake is going to do to his arch enemy. Also I'd like to see just how easily he is going to be overcome by his Vampire pal.

[shaithis@rocketmail.com]

I hope Castellano isn't Wamphyri! I think he's cool and interesting enough as it is...then again maybe he'd get cooler and more interesting http://www.brianlumley.com/ubb/smile.gif

I like it as it's another interesting storyline in there that at first seems totally unrelated, but as all of us fans of Brian's work seem to know, he likes his cycles and everything comes back to haunt you somehow.

[geraint]

One of the main clues I reckon that made me think Luigi Castellano is Lord Szwart is when they are raping Natasha the first time she is caught. Jake starts coming around and hears the Castellano saying he would do it but they know he can't.

[Rikus]

Didn't Jake say he say his women's face staring at him as the car sank?

[Dragutin]

Can't get enough of it. I thought 3 Vamps, 3 books one vamp per book but noooo. They probably won't die until the 3rd book.

I think Jake is getting the raw end of the deal. I think he's got a fight ahead of him with Korath. The dead should have welcomed him and what about Zeke she was speaking to him and informing him originally of the dead. Ah but thats for the next book.

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[Solisrex]

do you really want to know who castellano is?
I know, and am dying to tell.

[Canker]

I haven't read Defilers yet but anyone can make an educated guess as to who he truly is. *S*

[onyxx]

I'm not too sure about Jake either. I don't trust him. It will be interesting to see how he develops in the Defilers. Will he betray E-Branch?

[FORBIN]

Finally finished "INVADERS"...(excellent book; I am ready to start DEFILERS tonight)...so, I wanted to share a few thoughts and see what everyone else thinks?

First: Why didn't Jake take everyone out through a Moebius door instead of having that ride in the monoriel and THEN using a door? Did this seem silly to anyone else? Just an excuse to have another narrow escape?

Second: Like the idea of Castellano being Szwart (or rather, the other way around)...Sounds like something Lumley would do.

Three: Wouldn't the dead having talked to Jake from the beginning have avoided a lot of grief? I am sorry, but I don't believe that the "Great Majority" are really using their Deadspeak-brains here. They just opened the doors for Korath's evil, and whose fault it was? Surely not Jake's.

Four: This might be a stupid question (in fact, I know it is - and laziness- and I am just too eager to start DEFILERS) but, who was Peter Miller in the novel? The guy Jake burns under Xanadu during the final battle?

and...Five: I just read that Lumley said these would be the last Necroscope books. I read the interview that this webpage points to about that (while I prayed it wasn't true) and even when he says this MIGHT be the end of the line, I didn't really read him saying this would definitely be IT. Has anyone read anything else on this matter?

[FORBIN]

OK! I know who Peter Miller is (or was) now (he is mentioned again in DEFILERS), thanks...!

[Peter]

FORBIN- Okay here are your answers.

First- Jake is still getting used to the Moebius continuim. It takes time to be able to master it. Keep in mind that by the time he did the monoriel trick he had only used it about 5 times 3 of those being done more by Harry than Jake. So it would be a lot easier to have a big car go through a door than to take a whole mess of people plummeting through the continuim.

Second- Since this is the spoilers section I will tell you. Castellano is not Swartz!

Third- I somewhat agree with you except for two things. One, if they did immediatly help Jake then the series would basically be over because what hurddles would Jake have to overcome? Two, the dead do not know Jake. if they help him and he descides to be evil then they are the ones who have to pay the price. He is the only one who can hurt them. That is a very sharp sword that he can use for them or Against them!

Fourth- Well it seems you already know that answer. Austrailian guy who was supposed to be e-branches connection in Austrailia but became a hindrance. Then became food.

Fifth- Yes these are definatly the last. Unless he changes his mind later down the road. Always possible, but more than likely not. So enjoy, these are the last adventures we have of the Necroscopes.

[FORBIN]

PETER - Thanks for your answers...

Now, even if Jake is still getting used to the Moebius continuum, it seems funny to me that no one in the group even mentioned the fact that they could escape that way. I KNOW I'm nitpicking, and I loved the novel anyway so i should shut up, but still...it was too soon after Jake had used the continuum in front of everyone else. Some one should have mentioned (human -esper?- nature). It just didn't feel right, and it took me out of the narrative.

About the dead: You're right, of course, but at least Zek should have tried to approach him. They just left the road open for Korath. I mean, if you put yourself in Jake's place, wouldn't you be talking to him? I probably would. It's the only lifeline he's got.

As for the rest: The novel was another incredible entry in the Necroscope series. This series leave Anne Rice and all the other vampire writers far behind in every way. I really hope that Lumley gets the urge to continue the series and finds more Whamphyri under a rock somewhere. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind to see E-Branch going after other supernatural enemies, even if they are not vampires.

[Tonka]

Like Hel-Lo. this is a not a discusion for Defilers... it's one for Invaders, so please stop telling me what happens in Defilers!!!!!.....

[Moth]

INVADERS!!

DAMMIT!

[Jeffistopheles]

Anyone have any thoughts as to what will become of that war gauntlet that Major Tom gave Trask at the end of the book? At first I figured David Chung might be able to use it to pinpoint Malanari, But then I remembered that Trask has a personal vendetta and started to wonder if maby Trask was going to use that gauntlet (in a fight)against Malanari? I know that seems far-fetched but it would seem to fit in with the whole "eye for an eye" theme.

[AndeConda]

i agree that the dead left Jake out cold. Maybe Harry became a vampire eventually but he was always the good guy deep down to everyone right to the last so why does the Great Majority feel so betrayed? The seem to still be injoying their communication they learned from Harry. He is and always be the good guy to me no matter how he ended, but the story must go on. And on and on. It's a great story, leaves all the rest of the vampire books eating dust and I look forward to continually reading Lumleys Wamyri books if only he'll write them. And where are those bad guys in the US? I like the rocky mountain idea the best. Lets get a couple out here for fun sake. After all, USA has the most serial killers, why not a few blood suckers too. Don't forget us in America...thanks so much Brian Lumley for giving me years of enjoyment. Your still my most fav. author ever! Keep it up please!

[Martinari_The_Gut]

ok, the gauntlet that was given to ben trask will more than likely be given to david chung and be used to locate malinari...

i think castellano is wamphyri but i'm not sure who...
natash has definately got to be a vampire, or she would have heard all the ruccas being made by the great majority, and contacted him...

and lastly...
is it possiblt that Gustaf Turchin is being held back not by members of the russian mob and military, but by one of the wamphyri themselves???
perhaps they could have taken control of perchorsk, and thus made their way to turchin???

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[Martinari_The_Gut]

ahh...
tha actually explains alot to me...
iv'e just started defilers, and that name came up in chapter 4 was it??
i think so but if what i think your saying is correct, this book just got a whole lot better...

[Martinari_The_Gut]

i guesse i'll just have to read to find out about natasha...
it just doesn't make any sense though...
i know the dead don't trust jake, and that could be a reason she wouldn't make contact. but she was after all his lover... why would she just ignore him?
only thing i can think of is 1) shee's a vampire and thus undead.
or 2) she somehow survived the water and is wandering around oblivious to his location...
I kinda doubt she's still alive though, but Lumley always throws us a curve ball in his stories... i wouldn't be surprised if something like that happened...
like i said, i guesse i'll just have to keep reading...

[Martinari_The_Gut]

wow....
let me just say sorry now, cause everything i thought was going to happen in defilers didn't...
i was all wrong... but i didn't think castelano should have bit it,....
they should have saved him till the end, and killed off one of the others...

[Tonka]

Arrk NOOoooo. this is Invaders Spoilers... Nooooo not Defilers. got.. to.. stop.. reading.. before.. spoiling.. end.. of.. defilers.

[Nathan]

WOW...I can't believe I missed this thread!! It doesn't make a whole lot of sense at times, due to the ostricized, but there are some interesting speculations here!!

I never even thought that Castellano might be Swartz and, thinking back, I rather think it somewhat likely...

So...my question is for Peter...What makes you so sure that he is not? You state, matter of factly that he's not, and no one questions it...do you have inside info?

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[Peter]

No Nathan, no inside info on that one. The identity of Castellano is brought to light in "Defilers". It's pretty cool too, or at least I thought so. Keep in mind, when I posted that, "Defilers" had just came out. I read it the night it came out...lol! Unfortunate burden of being a quick read, I have had to wait that much longer for the next novel..lol! However "Avengers" does comes out in just a month, (in the U.K.) (May here in the states) so not too much waiting left! http://www.brianlumley.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Nathan]

Hmmmmm...could you refresh my memory a little? The only thing I remember about that is Ben making a call to someone to get the info...what was it exactly that made you think it wasn't Swartz?

[Peter]

Nathan have you read "Defilers" yet? Since the topic is labeled "Invaders" I don't want to do any spoilers for "Defilers" here. Some people didn't like that earlier. But Jake does an investigation of his own in "Defilers" to find out who Castelleno is. It is a rather large portion of the novel so you shouldn't miss it. In "Invaders" Castelleno's identity is a mystery. However in "Defilers" you learn all about him. Who his parents were, and lots of other things...etc..etc. Then there is a really big fight between Jake and him. (alright spoiled enough of Defilers, if you still don't remember who he is Nathan, then start a topic for Defiler spoilers, and I'll spell it out there, I just don't want to ruin it for anyone else reading this thinking its about Invaders) http://www.brianlumley.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Nathan]

Yeah...I've read it twice!! Must've been in some sort of haze cause I don't remember that at all!! I'll go back and look it up...it has been a few months since the last time I read it...thanks...

[Nathan]

So much to read...so little time. I scanned through yesterday and I remember now...partly...but forgetting the way I did, I feel it's my Lumlian duty to reread it again...I'm so ashamed... http://www.brianlumley.com/ubb/smile.gif?

Thanks again, Peter, and sorry to have doubted you... http://www.brianlumley.com/ubb/cool.gif