DeVil.DeMonde

Hmmm nobody wants to be Yulian? Do you think he was the original emo-pire? (yes I like and shall adopt the term too, and I know it's been a while)

Agreed Silver, definitely a flashback scene for some of those voices in Koegh's head telling their stories/memories? and lots of them at that! Oh the tremendous budget they'll need to get this wonderful work of wordsmith art right! Necrosage also don't forget when Harry got Alec's body it was only 31 but still 10 years senior to Harry's mind. So actually You'd age wise be closer to Alec/Harry, and as far as being fit for it... Well remember Alec/Harry started out not being to well fit, and his "bulking up" and getting fit was written into The Lost Years. I would surely take the movie company up on those free workouts and personal trainers for that role! Oh and as far as the main cast for the for the first book we're still missing Borowitz...

I don't choose to play any roles... I simply am what I am. I am blunt, but I do not consider it a fault. Perhaps that is why I did so well in the Army. Maybe that has something to do with my love of mind games as well... Possibly even why I don't shy away from any type of challenge and maybe even a good number of other things too... As far as my manner of speech... I suppose it isn't the norm but I am very much elitist in everything I do, and therefore everything I say. *shrugs* I find my phrasing of things tends to offend more often than what is actually being said... People tend to look at me as if I'm from Mars sometimes. One more thing on the rating bit, and then I too shall let a dead dog lie. My point on the ratings to drive it home with a verbal hammer is a combination of the two things you credited me with. Film companies will not want to invest heavily or with much enthusiasm in an adult oriented cartoon because PG isn't the target audience, anime type movies don't do well in the box office, and animated features will for the time being continue to struggle against the stigma of being "kidstuff". It's my professional opinion as a tech support agent that people on the internet tend to read too much into what others type, including tech support agents (the reading into part, not the typing bit). Sure netiquette is a big part of things and we should always try to maintain those high standards, but the big problem there is that one never knows the spin another will put on anything one writes. I find the best way to read anything on the net is in the mental voice of one of those horrible old text to speech type things. At any rate I'm glad you chose to not take offense. Since now I'm getting all off topic I think it's time to leave this at a close.

I'm sure I enjoy animation just as much as any "normal human", however I am resolute that it would never do The Necroscope justice. In the real world according to the current standards how much money a film makes is exactly how it's success is measured. Sad but true. And so you feel Spirits within is not worthy of championing the animated cause here? How about something with more mass appeal? Say the South Park movie... Sadly it only grossed $52,037,603 and it had the R rating and more of a market appeal. As far as rating goes, to this date there are only 2 animated feature presentations that made it to the box office in the US that I can think of... The afore mentioned South Park, and Heavy Metal neither which did extremely well in the box office, yet were geared for the adult audience... The sad fact of the matter, even though as you pointed out, may not always hold true, is production companies in the US just are NOT willing to readily invest in adult oriented Feature Films, and even when they CAN be convinced, the movies do not do well on release. So while you may think it has nothing to do with content, I can assure you that a lot of companies that would have the means to produce the Necroscope would NEVER touch it as an animated film, precisely because of the content, and the rating it would require. So no my dear, I did not miss your point, you missed mine. If the company won't invest in it in the first place there won't be any visual effects to judge. You're right of course it won't be "our" movie in regards to investment or ownership, but it will be our hearts, and minds that go into the theaters with high hopes should the film actually see the light of day. Oh I almost forgot... I had warned everybody in my introduction as to my nature... Are my responses and my taking your replies as an open invitation to debate, (or even argue, play word/mind games, etc.) so surprising? Just try to keep in mind that I do it all in "good nature" and with a smile on my face. Harsh, brutal, overkill, perhaps... take comfort however small it may be though in the fact that it is said without malice or anger, nor shall you ever see me truly irate on these boards.

No, no, you misunderstood me. The jealousy Faethor voiced wasn't for Harry, but TO Harry over Thibor! As a Wamphyri it is unbecoming to be jealous of any man. For what are the lives of men to those who can outlive entire civilizations, and indeed planets... As am I still in for Thibor's, and would look forward to giving Ilya a run for his money as to the depths of Wamphyri mentality in such a situation... but then I suppose we'd be straying from the story at hand, and writing our own version... Which is how many movies get messed up as it is... I also have to wonder would Necrosage want to play Harry/Harry or Alec/Harry it would be kinda a bummer to only have that brief shot... Then again in the scenes where Harry is "thinking" would they have to retain the origianl actor for Harry's mental voice? After all it wouldn't be Alec's mental voice...

Hahahahhaha don't be upset just because Faethor needed the help of so very many to put Thibor down Ilya. *sinister grin* As far as Thibor's ignorance why even Faethor admitted being impressed about Thibor's idea for walking the earth again in the form of Yulian... If I remember correctly he even voiced his jealousy to a mortal, the Necroscope! You say ignorance, I say young by Wamphyri standards and still one up on the rest of the lot through self teaching. Silver: You are quite welcome it was for that very reason I chose to stop. Though, I still prefer the red...

Aaaaaaaaaaah, a challenge! Thank you silver for your most gracious retort. I will savor this. I'm sure while my approach may seem harsh, or as I like to call things as they are, brutal, it was truth. For indeed in your attempt to counter what I said you've lent it further credibility. I did not say there would be no market, what I said is it would not hold MASS market appeal, mass being the operative word. Regarding the use of Final Fantasy as being successful well how does one measure mass market success? Let us use the box office earning and profits... Well Final Fantasy VII: Advent never even saw the box office so it is a moot point there. However since it's release it is known to have brought in $14,860,325 from DVD sales, no paltry number. Now then Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within in just box office sales alone has had a worldwide gross of $85,131,830 this includes a US Gross of $32,131,830. Now I'm sure most people will be impressed by that number, but here's where things get complicated. For you see the advertising budget of this movie was $30,000,000. So you see the US gross alone was barely enough money to cover the advertising they used for the movie. Hardly a success. Oh I almost forgot, the total budget was $137,000,000. Now let's put it into contrast, let's use a mass market appeal movie that wasn't an out and out smash hit, but something that was released around the same time... *thinks hard on that...* We'll use Scary Movie II (a movie I found to be utter garbage...) The US gross alone was $71,277,420 more than double the US gross of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within and darn near the Worldwide Gross. It's Worldwide Gross was $141,189,101 close to double that of Spirits Within, and it's budget by comparison was $45,000,000 nearly half of the afore mentioned. This movie doesn't even compare to the block buster hits that month Planet of the Apes & Jurassic Park III. Now then regarding the ratings issue. You say the rating are irrelevant but I again have to disagree. After all what is our target audience? These stories aren't meant to be family stories, indeed they are quite graphic and adult oriented. Now you can say so is anime but anime isn't the rule in most places is it? No, for it is the exception. And let me pose to you this question. When is the last time you saw a smash anime success in the box office? Why even Transformers was changed from it's original animated version and turned into a live acting movie as was GI Joe. Let alone an animated feature with an R or higher rating doing that well? Of course there is a market, there is a market for everything. But is that the market we want to tap? You yourself said it's not a format you believe you'd prefer to see, well and I agree, and what's more I think the majority that is not of the great majority would feel the same. Why should they go after the adult animation crowd, when they can go after EVERYBODY? Oh how I love a good debate... and money being the root of all evil what better a subject to discuss with one such as me, no? Warmest regards to you both Silver and nECr0, thank you for presenting me with a difference of opinion. I bow to your efforts. One more thing... neither of you touched on the stigma of animated features, nor the fact that while you are saying it has market appeal, again, I am saying yes it holds market appeal, but not MASS MARKET APPEAL, which is a different creature entirely. If the difference is not understood allow me elaborate. Within every market there are submarkets. We could cater to vampire fans, we could cater to fans of the supernatural, we could cater to fans of espionage, indeed we could even cater to fans of the books, or even broader to fans of horror movies in general. But why not cater to everybody that could purchase a ticket for themselves or with the help of a guardian and get ALL the markets I've mentioned and just make it an all around phenomenal movie that appeals to most everybody? NecrozDarksoul: Absolutely the human psyche is quite impressionable, why telepathy is easy enough to do all you need is a shot of the actor's face's lips not moving, concentration showing, with a voice over and it's understood this dialog is meant to occur in their head. It doesn't even have to go that far... Regarding the renewal of the options, I think it's more a matter of making sure you get a bidder with the proper abilities involved, then to just let the current, or some other bidder hold onto it and turn it into a gamble at best.

Ahhhh yesssss... *evil grin* Be sure to say hello to my son Yulian when you see him Brenda. Ha hahahaha. I think that was a delicious choice... I've not been posting in the red any longer because I'm not sure how all your eyes react to it...

Well and again that is nice, but my points are still valid. Nor could you gain much respect for our beloved series with a PG-13 rating... Still though I can't see people like my woman, nor other family members going to a movie theater to see an animated movie about vampires... What you have to realize is that you are fighting against a stigma in that kind of market. It just doesn't have that mass market appeal.

Indeed as you were one of the first to openly welcome my presence here, so then it is only right I return your respect. Welcome Scottish.

You'll have to pardon me if I am not overly friendly or enthusiastic in this, that is simply my nature. I'm not rude, just cold. That said I bid you welcome...

Yes, and thank you all. Scottish, flattery will get you everywhere... Kenny, that is most intriguing of a temptation, perhaps I shall at that...

I'd have to disagree about the cartoon aspect for one main reason. It will never appeal to the mainstream. Especially such an adult oriented cartoon. Thereby limiting the audience.

Aaaaaahhh... See there? The power of the Wamphyri is undeniable.

For me to introduce myself... Though I confess I'm not overly keen on introductions, or indeed being known. I do come of my own free will, but should you choose to reply and welcome me make sure you do so knowingly and of YOUR own free will. Be careful though, I do so enjoy a good word game. Let's see I can't remember when it was that I first picked up one of the Master's works. I do however recall that for many years in the book stores I would notice those interesting covers and wonder. I always ended up putting them down to being another disposable book that didn't merit the art on the cover, until one day when I could no longer stave off my curiosity... So I started reading hours passed and time for the book store to close came and here i was standing in the isle reading a novel... Lost... Well I simply had to buy it and have been hooked since. Many years have been spent with the vile, fearsome, and awe inspiring deeds of the Wamphyri, as well as the heroics of the Necroscope himself... Though I confess it was Thibor and Dragosaaaniiii that drew me into Harry's story less than Harry himself. Do I love Harry's character? Of course, but I am in thrall to the Wamphyri... Or maybe the egg planted in me is just much slower to mature and become one with me... *evil grin*